[sumo] Another one & nothing new
Scott M. Kahn
smk1 at columbia.edu
Sun Feb 1 09:43:40 EST 2009
Are you of the opinion that no prior Yokozuna ever used similar
intimidation tactics during practice sessions following losses
during a prior basho? Chiyonofuji?
I have to say that of my Japanese friends who follow sumo, I truly
haven't come across anyone who shares the views of Asashoryu that
you maintain are prevalent in Japan. There may be an occasional
shoulder shrug, for example, after Asashoryu's ill advised
roundhouse windmill against Kotooshu last tournament. I
acknowledge this could be a sampling error.
If you did not use the word "bully" in the context of someone who is
out to strongarm or injure, what context of bully did you mean? And
if it was not in the context of being out to injure, then what is
wrong with a Yokozuna being a bully? Is it not his right upon
reaching Yokozuna status? Isn't this a part of Sumo tradition?
Does Asashoryu not also use training sessions as opportunities to
nurture younger wrestlers? Or, are such reports false?
And, did Hakuho not abuse Kyokunankai during a practice session soon
after Asashoryu injured Toyonoshima? According to a post by
madorosumaro on the sumo forum, "The Mainichi had more details.
Hakuho used his elbow to whack Kyokunankai at tachiai. He also
dumped the hapless juryo rikishi with tsuri-otoshi and kicked him
in the back of the knees in sotogake attempts."
I believe that a respectable press has the responsibility of
presenting both sides and acknowledging internal biases. Many of
the points you, yourself bring up about Asashoryu here and in your
writings are also subjective. I am just presenting alternative
explanations that appear to have as much validity as many biased,
cartoon-like characterizations of Asashoryu saturating press
reports.
I remain unapologetic for railing against the Kyokai in their
blatant attempt to detract from substantially more important
issues, such as a manslaughter coverup, drug use, etc. Contrary to
your reply, the crimes I refer to HAVE been proven. There was a
manslaughter and subsequent criminal coverup within the Kyokai.
There was illegal drug use. So, I don't understand why you
continue to dismiss these sad facts as my own subjective views.
Again, I would love to see you use your own broad knowledge and
position to provide more balanced reports on the state of the
Kyokai.
Respectfully,
Sukubidubidu
Quoting MBtatton at aol.com:
> Please read my post again:
>
> I said;
>
> !!On the practice dohyo he can be a bully - plain and simple.
> I have never
> seen or heard of Hak going after someone for 'revenge' but we
> often hear of a
> similar form of 'training' dished out by Asa following defeat
> on the dohyo in a
> honbasho.""
>
> where did I say he was out to injure? I said he 'can be' a
> bully.
>
> You responded with
>
> ""As for Asashoryu injuring other wrestlers during practice
> sessions""
>
> Please don't make things ups
>
> This piece of fiction was then followed by 3 paragraphs and
> several hundred
> words on why Asa isn't out to injure people, how the NSK
> hasn't clampled down
> on Kaio, why others have injured themselves due to balance.
>
> More of the play the victim mentality and accompanying smokes
> and mirrors.
>
> And this claim - ""the Kyokai to make dubiousdecisions and to
> overstate minor
> issues over major ones."" - purely subjective - once again.
>
> Just like your earlier unproven, claim about crimes having
> been committed -
> another claim unproven but in perfect form to lend claim to
> the Asa as victim
> by the big bad NSK broken record we keep getting.
>
> Please offer something concrete in terms of these claims.
>
> In terms of the being closer to the action by living in Japan,
> I can put hand
> on heart and tell you that MANY MANY Japanese I know, meet
> daily and love
> have expressed distaste with his actions over the years. Not
> all the people all
> the time, but many of the people much of the time. That
> 'evidence' will be on
> offer to anyone resident in Tokyo/Japan I think but were such
> a poll conducted
> by a Japanese newspaper/NHK I am confident you'd turn it into
> a conspiracy of
> the anti-Asa press not conducting a 'proper' poll because of
> pressure by the
> NSK. Or some similar get out clause.
>
> Others like the bad boy side but they are far fewer in number,
> oftne have
> less actual interest in sumo, and, but not always, tend to be
> younger.
>
>
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