[sumo]update/moderator?/2 cents

Thu Sep 4 20:23:10 EDT 2008

Lynn,

I for one would like to have you back as a regular contributor.

Also, to those former contributors who have dropped out of 'sight', please 
come back.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lynn Matsuoka" <artist at aloha.net>
To: "Sumo Mailing List" <sumo at webtrek.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [sumo]update/moderator?/2 cents

>
>> I've been a member of the List for years.
>
>
> me too.
>
> And I have received some really moronic email responses to some things I
> have posted. They would be insulting if I cared what those particular
> people thought.. and many of these emails were sent to my private address,
> so you reasonable people out there would not see them. So they were
> moronic + cowardly. But these repsonses did make me feel that I was
> wasting my time bothering to post. One  can lose sight of the fact that
> there are thoughtful and receptive readers out there who ARE worth the
> effort.
>
> When in Japan I spend my time behind the scenes, where I used to  be every
> day when I lived there... talking with the rikishi, taking them out when
> possible... in order to accomplish my drawings and research for my books
> and lectures. I often want to share these real moments with people who
> would enjoy the info.
>
> Perhaps I will try it again when I return. I do think the list is 
> important.
>
> Lynn Matsuoka
> the SUMO artist
> www.traditions.jp
>
>
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>
> Years and years and years.
>> And years!  We have this same discussion about moderation every few
>> months.  And so far, we've always concluded that moderation is
>> paternalistic, offensive, and inconsistent with the rough-and-tumble
>> of the internet.  And, of course, no one wants to *do* the moderation.
>>  I, for one, wouldn't participate on a List with a moderator of the
>> sort Scott advocates.
>>
>> The List is moribund because some of our heaviest contributors ditched
>> us after they weren't treated very well by fellow List-members.  These
>> things happen.  It's a post-mailing list kind of world now, so it's
>> probably unlikely the List will ever be truly vital again.
>> Unfortunately, the Sumo Forum isn't really a substitute for many of
>> the things-amity, among them-that the List once provided.
>>
>> Sigh.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Squashiki
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Scott M. Kahn <smk1 at columbia.edu> wrote:
>>> A moderator could free the list of posts that many of those closest to
>>> the
>>> sumo world have objected to (personal attacks), those which have caused
>>> them
>>> to stay away from the mailing list, while still allowing for on topic
>>> debates.
>>>
>>> It is always up to the individual subscriber to decide what to read and
>>> what
>>> to dispose of, or whose posts to automatically delete (yours truly must
>>> fall
>>> into the latter category with some people...).  I suggest that we try to
>>> accomodate the list so that we can reattract those individuals who used
>>> to
>>> selflessly provide us with dohyo-side seats, and moderation is one such
>>> suggestion.
>>>
>>> Sukubidubidu
>>>
>>> Quoting Juergen Hader <juergen_hader at yahoo.de>:
>>>
>>>> Emma Kolstad Antunes wrote / schrieb:
>>>>
>>>>> The list seems so quiet lately, I think because many of our previous
>>>>> contributors got fed up and left. I find this to be sad. We've had a
>>>>> community for many years, and I'd like to see it be healthy and
>>>>> welcoming
>>>>> of
>>>>> different perspectives.
>>>>
>>>> [Watch out. Personal view of things starting here, not for the faint
>>>> of
>>>> heart.]
>>>>
>>>> All that Emma wrote would be nice, but since a few months the list  is
>>>> going downhill faster than a toilet seat from the de-orbiting of  the
>>>> Mir
>>>> space station[1].
>>>>
>>>> Just look how many mails in the last weeks were sumo-related news  and
>>>> how
>>>> many were inspired by beatniks, hippies or a multiple  mailing mistake.
>>>> All
>>>> this may be warm, cozy, sometimes funny and  more often than not
>>>> friendly,
>>>> but this should be a *Sumo* mailing  list, and it mostly isn't.
>>>> The only reason I still keep reading it is nostalgia, not getting
>>>>  informations about the sport that I like (ok, except Doreen's
>>>> postings).
>>>>
>>>> And sadly I have no idea how to change the situation, but why should
>>>>  introducing a moderator bring many of those MIA back here?
>>>>
>>>> Bye.
>>>> Juergen
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> [1] Yes, I love 'Dead Like Me'. So what?
>>>>
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>
> Lynn Matsuoka , described in the Japan press the "Degas of Japanese  Sumo
> and Kabuki", has also  won awards for her hula reportage paintings in
> Hawaii. Her Sumo artwork is in corporate and private collections around
> the world, in of the Morikami Museum of Art and has recently been
> requested by the Sumo Museum in Tokyo and Sapporo.
>
> Visit our booth at the Hampton Classic Horse Show  from August 24~ 31, 
> 2008.
>
> Web  sites :   http:// www.traditions.jp & www.hamptonsartist.com
>
> Tel USA 808-479-5966   / NY studio 631-537-5237
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