[sumo] 20 straight losers

Hal Shaver hal6671 at sbcglobal.net
Sat Feb 2 15:54:29 EST 2008

My personal thoughts on this is that quite likely Kotoshogiku will make Ozeki before Ama,
if indeed Ama ever does.  The Mongolians seem renowned for their use of vaious "techniques"
of questionable usage e.g. henka, inashi, ketaguri to name a few.  The interesting but possibly
career ending move Asasekiryu used on Ama for instance, even a trickster like Ama was caught
totally off-guard by that and for a bit he was having a hard time walking away.  Had he landed just
a little bit off it migh well have resulted in a career ending knee or leg injury.

Geeku is no stranger to the occasional henka either and certainly not a saint but that said he had
the better sumo body and I believe the better mind-set for progressing upward.  He has given 
good account of himself these last 2 basho as komosubi even coming back and taking 9 after
being sidelined for 3 days by injury.  I don't necessarily see Yokozuna material though who knows?

Just my 2 yen worth.
Hal "Chisaiyama" Shaver

----- Original Message ----
From: Kaiopectate! <cfinberg862 at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Friday, February 1, 2008 1:25:27 PM
Subject: Re: [sumo] 20 straight losers

Thanks for this!  I agree with you on Kotoshogiku.  We were also very
impressed by Kisenosato this time around.

Any thoughts of what's in store for Ama, in his quest for ozeki status?

On 2/1/08, Magnus Berg <magnus.rie at comhem.se> wrote:
> Hi list!
> While looking through some statistics in my computer, I noticed
> something potentially interesting:
> Kotoshogiku debuted in makunouchi in January 2005.
> Well, that may not be a revelation, but as you all know Shogiku's top
> rank is sekiwake, a rank he will return to in March. The slightly
> interesting part is that of the 20 rikishi who have made their
> makunouchi debut after Kotoshogiku, not one has made it to a sanyaku
> rank. That's 20 shin-nyumaku in 3 years who have failed to, as of yet,
> reach as high as komusubi. Baruto and Homasho have come closest,
> reaching maegashira 1. Of course, they, and some of the others (Goeido,
> Ichihara, Toyohibiki) will probably make it eventually, but frankly
> boys, that track record sucks. This group also include some of the
> worst maegashira in recent memory with Daimanazuru (one basho at
> maegashira 16, two wins) and Ryuho (one basho at maegashira 16, four
> wins).
> One theory for this collective badness is that the group just before
> The No-Good Twenty has the opposite record, thus hogging the sanyaku
> ranks and barring their juniors. Of the 11 shin-nyumaku starting with
> Kokkai in January 2004 and ending with Kotoshogiku a year later, no
> less than 10 have reached a sanyaku rank. The only exception is
> Harunoyama, debut in March '04, top rank maegashira 10.
> Oh, and speaking of Kotoshogiku: wasn't there anyone else who thought
> that he deserved a kanto-sho in Hatsu? Getting 9 wins at komusubi,
> despite being out three days due to injury, sure defines fighting
> spirit to me. His sumo in the first week was also excellent, IMO.
> Oh, and that reminds me of another fun-filled statistical fact: with
> the (well-deserved) san-sho for Kakuryu and Takekaze in Hatsu Basho,
> the number of current makunouchi rikishi with more than two basho in
> the division, who have NOT won a san-sho is... one... Only Yoshikaze
> fits that description (Wakanoho, Wakakirin and Ichihara are also
> non-sansho'ers).
> That's it from Maguroyama's Stat Corner for now. Good night!
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