[sumo] Sumo topics

[Takanomizu]

>>I do believe Goeido's preformance was extraordinary considering he is new 
>>to makuuchi.>>

Doesn't this happen occasionally? The first basho is remarkable because the 
other rikishi aren't familiar with his fighting style. From the second basho 
onward, he's put into his place.
Irene

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barbara" <barbara at technogirls.org>
To: "Sumo Mailing List" <sumo at webtrek.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [sumo] Sumo topics


> Well, thank you for the on-topic reply.
>
> Goeido was quite a prodigy!  To score that high, and be in contention for 
> the yuusho for so long, is very very rare.  One has to wonder what is 
> actually happening when a newcomer is moving up the banzuke so fast. I 
> don't know, but he doesn't seem to be fabulously skilled, like an 
> Asashoryuu.  How many of his bouts were first-time ones?  One might wonder 
> how much of his success is a factor of his opponents not yet receiving 
> coaching on how to face him.  In other words, the oyakata and rikishi do 
> not have an adequate knowledge of his weaknesses and how to defend against 
> him.  Once he is ready to meet an opponent the second time, things may go 
> very differently.  So, I wonder how big a factor this "coaching" factor 
> really is.
>
> Another thing that fascinates me about sumo rikishi is the FEAR factor. 
> How many times has a rikishi's advance been reversed by fear of injury? It 
> must happen a lot.  Who was it that broke Kotomitsuki's jaw in 2002? I did 
> a search in news stories but none of them mention the culprit. Was it 
> Asashoryuu by chance?  That would explain a lot. Regardless, it seems like 
> it took him forever to get his confidence back.  These days Kotooushuu 
> seems to be in the same state.  He's risen to a high rank, he's taking in 
> a good salary, and his knee is a bit marginal.  He looks terrified of 
> being injured.  Did you see how he put his arm down, taking a loss instead 
> of allowing himself to fall, in that bout with the mono-ii this basho?  I 
> think he's trying to win, but unwilling to take even small chances. 
> That's my theory anyway.
>
> Barbara Murasakihana
> :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:
>
>
> Robert Hovestadt wrote:
>> Barbara,
>>      I would gladly discuss the aforementioned sumo items, but my 
>> knowledge of such things is quite lacking.   I do believe Goeido's 
>> preformance was extraordinary considering he is new to makuuchi.   As to 
>> Kyokutenho not facing the Yokozuna was this possibly further punishment? 
>> Not that i want to start anymore conspiracy theories.
>>
>>  On 9/27/07, *Barbara* <barbara at technogirls.org 
>> <mailto:barbara at technogirls.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     Obviously this is NOT the place to be if one wants to talk about 
>> sumo. I
>>     must admit I'm getting a bit frustrated with this mailing list. It
>>     seems
>>     to only cover scandal, ideology, conspiracy theories, and rumor.
>>     Barbara Murasakihana
>>     :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:
>>
>>     Barbara wrote:
>>      > I would like to talk about sumo instead.
>>      >
>>      > For instance.  Kyokutenhou ended the basho 12-3.  That's
>>     amazing!  He
>>      > was ranked M12W too.  Now, the only rikishi with a higher tally is
>>      > Hakuhou himself, who won the yuusho.  Am I correct in assuming 
>> that
>>      > Kyokutenhou won the "Junyuushou" or runner up? Despite his low 
>> rank?
>>      > Often the Junyuushou is considered a yuusho-equivalent. Quite a
>>     feather
>>      > in his cap.
>>      >
>>      > So, he won 9 more than he lost.  My rule of thumb says that such
>>     a score
>>      > moves him up to about M3w or M4e.  Sound about right?
>>      >
>>      > Now, look at Goeido.  Amazing performance too, but he was ranked
>>     lower
>>      > than Kyokutenhou at M14w.  He scored 11-4.  But he got to meet the
>>      > yokozuna.  Kyokutenhou did not.  It doesn't seem fair.  One might
>>     almost
>>      > suspect that the matching went the way of the popularity of the
>>     meeting.
>>      > They do have a lot of leeway in making the matchups, but still,
>>     wouldn't
>>      > a meeting between Hakuhou and Kyokutenhou have been much more
>>     exciting
>>      > than one with Goeido?  I feel slightly deprived.
>>      >
>>      > Barbara Murasakihana
>>      > :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:
>>      >
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