[sumo] [getting off-topic] Police To Charge Tokitsukaze Oyakata

[Keri Sibley]

OK - I'll go with the contention that the pitchers
aren't throwing at heads deliberately. It is still
analogous to the hazing incident. Tokitsukaze through
the pitch at his deshi's head and it killed him. He
had no intention to kill him, but it did nontheless.

Hinerikeri

 
--- Robert Hovestadt <sherlockiama at gmail.com> wrote:

> I will agree with most of what you said here.
> Unfortunately I do not agree that there is a problem
> with a pitcher
> throwing pitches high and tight. Those pitches are
> meant to
> get the batter to back off the plate they are not
> meant to hit
> the batter.  The problem I have with MLB is that
> obvious incidents
> of pitchers throwing at batters are not dealt with
> immediately.
> I have seen numerous occassions in the last month
> where
> pitchers have purposely hit batters and all that is
> given is a
> warning.  It was to clear to even the most ignorant
> person watching
> that the pitcher had every intention of hitting the
> batter.  The response
> should have been a swift heave ho from the came,
> followed by the
> commissioner fining and suspending the offending
> pitcher. If this is
> done swiftly and often then you will see and end to
> most of these
> shenanigans.
> 
> I believe the Kyokai needs to do the same thing.  In
> cases where
> wrestlers are obviously being abused the Kyokai
> needs to step in
> and take appropriate action. Fines, suspensions,
> legal action, whatever
> is appropriate. It is quite apparent to this
> non-japanese sumo fan that
> the sport can not handle much more scandal and
> expect to survive. The
> assault and abuse of the very men they are depending
> on to keep the
> sport alive is ludicrous.  If the Kyokai does not
> step up and take stearn
> and tough action the sport may be doomed completely.
> 
> Bob Hovestadt.
> 
> 
> On 9/27/07, Keri Sibley <kerisib at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > In addition to what Joe said, let me add that
> Baseball
> > also has a heritage of hazing and rituals. Some of
> the
> > simplest being blowing a bubble gum bubble and
> placing
> > it on top of a rookies hat during a game. Football
> > players tape other players to the goalposts.
> Hazing is
> > fun when its done non-maliciously. I have been
> hazed
> > myself and am no worse for wear. Now if someone
> were
> > to hit me on the head with a beer bottle, that's
> not
> > hazing, that's brutality and assault.
> >
> > And then there's Takatoriki's forehead. He used to
> > deliberately konk heads with his opponent at the
> > tachi-ai. How does one prepare for that kind of
> > assault at keiko? It's inevitable! In sumo your
> going
> > to get konked on the head a few times...but by a
> beer
> > bottle...not necessary.
> >
> > Baseball has a dark side as well, and the
> commissioner
> > has done nothing about it. You see on ESPN at a
> > minimum of once or twice a week of an incident
> where a
> > pitcher throws a baseball high and tight, or even
> at a
> > batters head. The pitcher does it on purpose. Is
> > someone going to have to get killed for it to
> stop?
> >
> > Tokitsukaze needs to be dealt with by the
> authorities.
> > Kitanoumi cannot police every heya 24/7. The
> Oyakata
> > need to be responsible and maybe this is what it
> will
> > take to clean it up. Maybe this will encourage
> > Takasago to come down on Asashoryu for beating the
> > crap out of everybody who threatens to become a
> rival.
> >
> > Just my 2¢
> >
> > Hinerikeri
> >
> > --- Joe Petrow <joepetrow at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 9/27/07, Scott Kahn <smk1 at columbia.edu>
> wrote:
> > > > Your comparison to the baseball commisioner is
> > > irrelevant because he
> > > > does not preside over a sport with a deep
> rooted
> > > cultural heritage in
> > > > Japan
> > >
> > > Actually, yakyu (baseball) has a very deep
> rooted
> > > cultural heritage in
> > > Japan.  They take baseball more seriously than
> any
> > > country in the
> > > world, United States included.  Attending a
> Hanshin
> > > Tigers home game
> > > is almost a religious experience:
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.japannewbie.com/2007/09/02/hanshin-tigers/
> > >
> > > When you make such statements that are so
> blatantly
> > > ignorant of
> > > Japanese culture, it's kind of hard to take
> > > seriously anything else
> > > you say on the subject.
> > >
> > >   - Peterao
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