[sumo] Re: Moderation

[ozora ozora]

No need to moderate, come on....


>From: "Mike Chamberlain" <mchamberlain6 at sympatico.ca>
>Reply-To: Sumo Mailing List <sumo at webtrek.com>
>To: <barbara at technogirls.org>, "Sumo Mailing List" <sumo at webtrek.com>
>Subject: Re: [sumo] Re: Moderation
>Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 01:12:45 -0400
>
>There is absolutely no need to moderate this list.  It has functioned very 
>well for more than a decade without moderation.
>
>This is simply a bad idea.
>
>If you want to start a moderated list, go elsewhere and do it.
>
>Beisuborumaru (ret.)
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara" <barbara at technogirls.org>
>To: "Sumo Mailing List" <sumo at webtrek.com>
>Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 12:30 AM
>Subject: Re: [sumo] Re: Moderation
>
>
>>
>>
>>Dale Carlson wrote:
>>>At 07:41 PM 5/5/2007 -0700, Barbara wrote:
>>>>I suggest the owner of the list change it to a fully moderated one, and 
>>>>squash off topic messages without mercy.  This is NOT a chat room. We 
>>>>don't need to debate how offended or not we are when an off topic 
>>>>message comes through.  We should only be discussing sumo.
>>>
>>>I could not disagree more. I regard the members of this list as friends.
>>>We aren't one-dimensional sumo fans. We are people who like sumo.
>>>And hopefully each other as well. There is life beyond sumo for most
>>
>>But I claim you are making my point for me.
>>It is typical of people who subscribe to one and only one mailing list to 
>>try to make it into a multipurpose one. They want social chat as well as 
>>on-topic chat.  Social chat can sometimes be on topic too.  But if you are 
>>subscribed to a half dozen mailing lists that is the last thing you want. 
>>Mailing lists are easy to make.  We can have a sumo-moderated list as well 
>>as a "sumo chat" list for friendly banter which may or may not have to do 
>>with sumo.  That way people who don't mind the random unrelated chatter 
>>can enjoy their mailing list but the rest of us wanting a more pure 
>>experience can hang out only in the other. I'm sorry if I seem harsh, but 
>>too often I've seen mailing lists collapse as furious subscribers leave in 
>>a huff never to return.  Strict on-topic mailing lists are such a pleasure 
>>to read. The quality of posts seems to increase, even. Partly because 
>>"old-timers" stay subscribed for decades at a time, and their writings are 
>>pure gold. But lists full of people using it for personal chat can become 
>>a burden and an irritant for those who are subscribed to many at once. 
>>Anyway again I stress that I do not want to seem harsh or critical of this 
>>list's owner because it isn't his fault these kinds of things are 
>>happening.
>>
>>Here is the introductory text to an anime mailing list I have been 
>>moderating since 1996, as an example of a fully moderated list:
>>-----
>>" The list
>>is private and moderated.  I check, alter, and delete messages
>>to keep out spam, trash, non-members, commercial tag lines, flamboyant
>>signature lines, excessive quote text, accidental submissions, abusive
>>or personally insulting messages, and other unwanted mail.  However, I
>>never change one word of anything you have written - if part of your
>>message is unacceptable, it is returned to you with an explanation, and
>>an invitation to resubmit it.  An example of such a message is an on-topic
>>message you wrote which also contains an abusive or insulting reference
>>to another person on the list.  Your on-topic message is very much wanted,
>>but I will ask you to remove the personal attack and send it back.
>>The majority of list members have participated for years and have never
>>received a returned email, but you should know that it could happen.
>>Your name is never revealed
>>unless you sign your messages.  Only your email address is visible.
>>If you never write a message, no one will ever know you are on the
>>list.  (This type of behavior is called "lurking" and is OK...)
>>Email addresses in list messages are protected from internet spam
>>email harvesters because I do not allow message archives
>>to be exposed to the Internet or to be scanned by Google.
>>I encourage you to sign your messages and let people get to
>>know you.  You'll find that our many members are among the most
>>knowledgable and helpful found on any such mailing list.  Ugly arguments,
>>feuds, and rude messages will never be a problem.  Discussions are
>>in great depth, with many members being experts in some aspect of anime." 
>>End of quote.
>>---------
>>
>>Full moderation has other benefits too. For instance, in this sumo list, 
>>frequently personal emails get sent accidentally to the whole mailing 
>>list.  A moderator can recognize such a thing and prevent the message from 
>>going through.  This can save a member from quite severe embarrassment, if 
>>the message is a sensitive one!
>>
>>Obviously, the problem with moderated lists is the moderator. If the 
>>moderator is unobjective, lazy, or otherwise unsatisfactory, the mailing 
>>list fails.  If the moderator is good, the list thrives.  I would like 
>>this list to be fully moderated, but I'm not sure I'm volunteering for 
>>such a thing. Full moderation can be messy to set up for the moderator. 
>>I'm probably too busy to take on another list.
>>
>>Anyway, I'm impatient for this basho to start. You can probably tell.
>>This basho, I'm going to put up 1 or more videos on my website each day, 
>>with commentary, like I did for basho 1 this year.  I finished the support 
>>code to allow me to do that easily and cleanly. (For an example of what it 
>>does see my site http://www.technogirls.org/enka/ ) So being able to put 
>>things up quickly makes a difference.  Warning: I will also indulge myself 
>>fully in including opinionated commentary on each submission too, just for 
>>fun.  You can read it, laugh at it, ignore it, whichever you like. But the 
>>files will be there.  As for the "passing the torch" game, I will probably 
>>not run it this basho.  Too much to do.
>>
>>Barbara Murasakihana
>>
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