[sumo] Tokitsukaze beya rikishi dies

Tetsuonoumi wcb at BostonDynamics.com
Fri Jun 29 15:11:46 EDT 2007

I don't know if I'd call it quite common, but you're right it is not 
unheard of.

But, you also must admit that such deaths have been followed with 
policies to better protect players and educate coaches.  A huge 
example of this has been the attitude to water for athletes, old 
school coaches used to not give any and give salt pills.  Truth is, 
American football is at the opposite spectrum from sumo in one 
regard, it is sport that is constantly changing each year and has no 
fear in making changes.  Sumo is closer to soccer, change is 
vehemently resisted.

They are my three favorite sports btw!

Jonosuke sez:
>You seem to forget Takanohana and Wakanohana were in
>their prime not so long ago and every basho day was
>sold out

Yes, the Taka/Waka era was prosperous, but as I remember that time, I 
seem to remember that soccer and baseball were already mercilessly 
eating away at its popularity.

Akinomaki shreib:
>I don't think extra bullying was involved.

Saying that is as groundless as saying there was extra bullying involved.



At 02:50 PM 6/29/2007, you wrote:
>Here in the USA it is quite common for even a high school football 
>player doing 2 a day drills have unfortunately died. I don't see any 
>reductions in high school players deciding not to play again because 
>of the death. I am sure there might be a few but football is in no 
>way going to go away.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Achim Pawelczyk
>Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:51 AM
>To: Sumo Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [sumo] Tokitsukaze beya rikishi dies
>Joe Petrow schrieb:
> > On 6/29/07, Tetsuonoumi <wcb at bostondynamics.com> wrote:
> >> "There is a clear majority in Japan, led by young people, who DO NOT
> >> hold Ozumo beyond reproach."
> >
> > I agree with this statement.  But what I said was "I think that not
> > even the sudden collapse and death of Takamisakari would prompt the
> > _media_ to go after the sacred institution of Ozumo."  The media being
> > the lapdog of the Japanese government, which controls NHK, which by
> > and large controls Ozumo.
>Indeed, I'm still waiting for NHK to mention the present incident.
>Usually a youngster's death is news for them anytime.
>I don't think extra bullying was involved. Hochi shimbun mentions heavy
>training involving harite (face slapping). Like with any martial art,
>the training in itself is enough to possibly cause severe injuries.
>In a press conference Tokitsukaze-oykata told that he thought seemingly
>tough "broad shouldered" Saito had the potential to become strong, else
>he wouldn't have brought him back to the heya.
>I believe that the oyakata (former komusubi Futatsuryu) indeed just let
>the boy train the traditional way he's used to - but he certainly didn't
>act according to the individual condition.
>Kitanoumi-rijicho proposed two health checks a year and asking expert
>advice to manage rikishi health.
>Changing the traditional training methods and preserving sumo tradition
>at the same time may be a tough task.
>The death of Tokitaizan can't be anything else but gravely damaging to
>Ozumo's popularity among young Japanese fans and rikishi hopefuls.
>Not long and only those with university sumo background might remain.
>And more tough foreigners to fill the gap?
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