[sumo] [Meta-topic] Why SML?

Robert Brown brownro214 at yahoo.com
Sat Jun 2 20:07:58 EDT 2007

I have been a member of the Sumo mailing list for
years (8 years this July) and it works for me much
better than the Forum.  I get lots of info in one
place from many people who know a lot more about sumo
than I do.  Having the messages sent to my mail box
reminds me to keep up with the happenings in the sumo
world.  If I had to actively search for the info, I
might not get around to it during the course of a
typical busy day.


--- John Racine <gaijira at ace.ocn.ne.jp> wrote:

> > What is good about the Sumo Mailing List?
> > Don't get me wrong, I've been a member for over
> eight years, and I've
> valued
> all the input I've received here.  I guess I'm
> really asking the true
> believers of the SML to tell me why they keep on
> keepin' on.
> I guess the list is in worse shape than I thought.
> When I asked these questions, I half-expected the
> diehard SML fans to step
> up and say what makes it special and important. 
> Instead, the majority of
> responses were about the format of the Sumo Forum. 
> (Apparently people who
> don't like the forum format will not go to the Sumo
> Forum whether they like
> sumo or not.)
> Others feel a bit intimidated by the response their
> posts might receive on
> the forum.  They're afraid they'll be "jumped on"
> for stepping out of line.
> I'm still a newcomer on the Forum, but from my
> experience, it appears that
> Forum users tend to jump on incorrect information
> rather than make strictly
> personal attacks.  It's also moderated, so they have
> measures to keep things
> from getting too out of hand.
> This leads to another issue that Joe mentioned: 
> that the Forum may only be
> for maniacs.  I think there is some truth to that. 
> There are many VERY
> knowledgeable people on the Sumo Forum.  I think for
> some, it's a case of
> too much information.  The SML may be more of a
> quick sumo fix.
> I think the saddest response to my questions,
> however, must be those that
> referred to the flame wars here.  Fluffyyama
> mentioned the potentially
> interesting message that he decided not to post,
> simply because it might
> attract heat.  Someone also responded to me off list
> "just to be safe".
> Ironically, that person may have been the only
> person to say their reason
> for staying on the SML was "having friends here". 
> With friends like
> these...?
> Anyway, I guess all lists go through ups and downs. 
> Personally, I have
> nothing against either format (when I have time to
> keep up with them) and I
> plan to continue as members of both.  Interestingly,
> I asked the same
> question on the Forum and many people there who
> continue to subscribe to
> this list said that they do so "out of respect". 
> Someone said they were
> "born here" but now "live" on the Forum.  Perhaps
> then the list is more like
> 'family' than 'friends'.  Right now we're just a bit
> dysfunctional.
> John Racine
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