[sumo] If there was no Asashoryu
Wayne, Emmett CIV JCCS Crew Lead
emmett.wayne at iraq.centcom.mil
Sun Dec 30 03:40:59 EST 2007
That was about the most fun reading I have had in a while. And while it
is all fantasy, it was still a nice piece of work. Thank you for taking
the time to put it in writing.
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Subject: [sumo] If there was no Asashoryu
Just for fun...If there were no Asashoryu. This is how I see it and
please take it with a grain of salt.
21 new yusho winners - here is a synopsis of what I was able to come up
1) Only 1 new yokozuna - Kaio
2) Hakuho becomes yokozuna much sooner
3) Hakuho wins 5 more yusho - 10 total
4) Kaio wins 3 more yusho - 8 total
5) Kotomitsuki wins 3 more yusho - 4 total
6) Kotooshu wins 3 yusho total
7) Chiyotaikai wins 2 more yusho - 5 total
8) Single yusho winners are: Takanowaka, Wakanosato, Hokutoriki,
Miyabiyama & Aminishiki
Starting with Asashoryu's 1st Yusho
Basho - Winner
2002 Kyushu - Takanowaka
Ranked at Komusubi he legitimately faced all the top rankers
2003 Hatsu - Wakanosato
Actually 3 tied at 11-4 - Tochinonada, Dejima were also 11-4. Both
Deijima and Waka lost to Asashoryu so it is very possible that they
could have gone 12-3 and IMHO Waka was probably the strongest this Basho
ranked at K1w.
2003 Haru - Chiyotaikai
He won this one anyway
2003 Natsu - Kaio
Actually tied with Aminishiki record-wise, certainly the Koykai would
have made it tougher on Aminishiki.
Chiyotaikai and Kyokutenho both lost to Asa which could possibly have
brought their records up 11-4 like Kaio, however Kaio did it legit, so
Kaio gets the yusho.
2003 Nagoya - Kaio
Kaio wins the yusho with with or without Asashoryu and promotion to
2003 Aki - Chiyotaikai
Chiyotaikai lost to Asashoryu,so it's possible that he could have gone
12-3. My gut tells me that Iwakiyama & Kotomitsuki would not have had as
good of a record had they been ranked in the joi-jin. So Chiyo gets the
2003 Kyushu - Tochiazuma
Tochiazuma won the yusho anyway.
2004 Hatsu - Kotomitsuki
Not much to argue here. Koto lost to Asashoryu and was already 1 win
better than anyone else.
2004 Haru - Kaio
Kaio, Chiyotaikai & Asasekiryu had the same record.
Kaio & Chiyo both lost to Asa and Sekiryu had an easier torikumi so it
came down to Kaio or Chiyo. Kaio won their match during the basho and
had a better head-to-head record at the time, yusho to Kaio.
2004 Natsu - Hokutoriki
Again not much to debate. Hoku had the 2nd best record and lost to
Asashoryu during the Basho and in the play-off.
2004 Nagoya - Miyabiyama
Miya lost to Asashoryu and was one better than anyone else. The only
contention here could be that if Miya lost his replacement match for
Asa, he would be tied with Kaio for best record. Not going to go there,
Miya wins the yusho.
2004 Aki - Kaio
Kaio won this yusho on his own anyway.
2004 Kyushu - Hakuho
Kaio & Hakuho both lost to Asa so it comes down to head-to-head between
the two. Hakuho won their match during the Basho and evened up their
record at 1-1.
Tough to call but Hakuho gets the nod due to the win against Kaio.
2005 Hatsu - Hakuho
Hakuho becomes Yokozuna in a play-off with Tochiazuma.
Equal records and losses to Asa took this one to the play-off. Hakuho
won their match and dominated their overall record 3-0 up to this point.
2005 Haru - Kaio
This one could be debated. Tamanoshima clearly with the 2nd best record
would have been matched up against
2-4 Sanyaku rikishi if Asa was not around. I don't think his record
would be as good. It would only take
1 or 2 losses to end up in a play-off with Kaio. He was two ahead, but
Kaio's loss to Asashoryu could have made him one better. Play-off or
even an outright yusho to Kaio.
2005 Natsu - Kotomitsuki
One better than Tochiazuma, Asashoryu's victories over both Koto & Tochi
do nothing to change the outcome.
2005 Nagoya - Kotooshu
This goes to the play-off as well. Koto beat Asa and Wakanosato lost to
Asa. Waka possible extra win ties him with Koto but he's possible loss
also gives the yusho to Koto.
2005 Aki - Kotooshu
Pretty simple here. Koto went to a play-off with Asa & no other rikishi
even lose. I don't think Koto would have been promoted to Ozeki at this
point so his 2 consecutive yusho would not qualify him to become
2005 Kyushu - Chiyotaikai
Chiyo lost to Asa so his record is more than likely 1 better than
Kotooshu who did beat Asa with no possibility of having a better record.
Here's where the debate could start. Having won the previous 2 basho,
would a jun-yusho be enough for promotion to yokozuna? Ooh-la-la!!!!
2006 Hatsu - Tochiazuma
He won the yusho anyway.
2006 Haru - Hakuho
Asa beat both so the records have no bearing on the yusho. Hakuho was 1
better than Tochi.
2006 Natsu - Hakuho
Hakuho won this one on his own.
2006 Nagoya - Hakuho
Not even close, Hakuho by a mile.
2006 Aki - Aminishiki
Aminishiki had the harder way to go in this kettei-sen between
heya-mates. Ama had a tough schedule towards the end, but in the end I
give the yusho to Aminishiki for the quality of wins and tougher
2006 Kyushu - Kotooshu
Homasho has the 2nd best record. If Asashoryu hadn't have been there,
Homasho would ultimately have faced more Sanyaku rikishi as he would
have been the sole leader on day 10. He lost to the only Sanyaku he
faced and I believe he wouldn't have been 12-3. Soooo, that leaves
Kotooshu, Tochiazuma, Kaio, Kotoshogiku, Dejima, Kyokutenho, Baruto,
Takamisakari & Asasekiryu all at 10-5. Strength of schedule rules out
everybody from Kyokutenho and below on the Banzuke. Asashoryu beat
everybody except Dejima (which he did not face which eliminates him).
Keeping as simple as possible, and based on Head-to-Head records
Kotooshu would be the one left holding the Emperor's Cup.
2007 Hatsu - Hakuho
This was another tough one. Again as with last basho, we have a lower
raker that I don't think would have had the same record if they would
have faced more Sanyaku rikishi than they would have if Asashoryu wqs
not there. In the end it came down to Chiyotaikai, Ama & Hakuho. The
yokozuna comes out on top of the kettei-sen.
2007 Haru - Hakuho
Hakuho won this one outright anyway.
2007 Natsu - Hakuho
Zensho yusho all on his own.
2007 Nagoya - Kotomitsiki
Clearly 2nd best in this basho
2007 Aki - Hakuho
Asashoryu's absence does nothing to change the outcome here.
2007 Kyushu - Hakuho
Asashoryu's absence does nothing to change the outcome here.
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