[sumo] [off topic] Mitchell steroid report; Joshua's blatant misinformation

Thu Dec 13 21:42:49 EST 2007

Oh I am sorry,
your lousy internet search skills and misinformation are due to your selective use of tools.  If you had just said that to begin with you wouldn't have looked as..well actually it is due to your selective use of tools that you are looking so ignorant.  

----- Original Message ----
From: Joshua Maciel <joshua.maciel at gmail.com>
To: Sumo Mailing List <sumo at webtrek.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:05:03 PM
Subject: Re: [sumo] [off topic] Mitchell steroid report; Joshua's blatant misinformation

No, I checked the NYTimes online archive for 'brady anderson steroids' and
the first article that popped up was from 1998.

You can check it
yourself<http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?query=brady+anderson+steroids&d=&o=&v=&c=&n=10&dp=0&daterange=full&sort=oldest>
.

Now perhaps there is a slim chance that they actually published a news story
about brady anderson using steroids prior to that 1998 article, and then
didn't publish it, but I find that unlikely seeing as how the NYTimes has
had a web presence since at least 1995, but I suppose it is possible.

If you have evidence that there was this magical article, please provide it.
I also checked the washington post, but that turned up nothing. I'm sure
you'll be able to find plenty of articles through newspaper archives
covering this story from that time period and will provide them to prove me
wrong.

- Josh

On Dec 14, 2007 9:53 AM, Charles Beauchamp <beauking1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Wrong.  You only GOOGLED the first NY Times article
> that you found from 1998.  That is just a reflection
> on your lack of knowledge/inability to do a proper
> search.  Sorry, I will trust my actual memory of the
> actual time frame over your lousy internet skills and
> continued absurd commentary on something you are
> proving to know nothing about.
>
> --- Joshua Maciel <joshua.maciel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So much discussion that the first NY Times article
> > on it was from 1998?
> >
> > So much discussion that the Washington Post doesn't
> > have anything close
> > until 2004?
> >
> > I realize it's been discussed, but it's been
> > discussed *in hindsight*, which
> > is an entirely different cup of tea.
> >
> > Nobody is denying that steroids existed prior to
> > that, the catch is that *the
> > fans didn't care* for the most part. There was not
> > much outrage, not much of
> > a problem until home run records started getting
> > shattered, and people
> > started whining that it must be steroids.
> >
> > The steroid era is a creation of the aughts, and
> > didn't exist in the public
> > consciousness until people needed to find something
> > to blame for the
> > changing offense in the Majors.
> >
> > That was my point.
> >
> > I do owe an apology to Mr. Kahn, however. His
> > original post on the subject
> > specifically said that it wasn't the topic it is
> > today. I conveniently (or
> > accidentally, or subconsciously) ignored that.
> >
> > Mea culpa.
> >
> > I still don't think that he's very informed on what
> > steroids actually do for
> > a baseball player, or athletes in general, as far as
> > performance is
> > concerned, but that's a different cup of tea.
> >
> > Bowing out,
> > - Josh
> >
> > On Dec 14, 2007 8:23 AM, Charles Beauchamp
> > <beauking1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Wow,
> > > um...wow...Brady Anderson's 1996 homerun barrage
> > was
> > > definitely the subject of a lot of discussion
> > > regarding steroid use as it was ongoing.  I
> > remember
> > > it quite clearly.  I am really not sure what prism
> > you
> > > are viewing things from but whatever it is, you
> > are
> > > simply ignorant and should just drop it.  You
> > clearly
> > > are not qualified to talk about baseball events in
> > the
> > > present anymore then you are regarding baseball in
> > the
> > > past.
> > >
> > > --- Joshua Maciel <joshua.maciel at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Let's re-read what I said: "*To be quite clear,
> > > > there was NOT discussion of
> > > > steroid abuse in 1996 when Brady Anderson hit 50
> > > > home runs.*"
> > > >
> > > > I would hope that you would engage your reading
> > > > comprehension enough to at
> > > > least parse that properly. Does discussion
> > equate to
> > > > use?
> > > >
> > > > You've entirely lost any semblance of
> > respectability
> > > > or civility in this
> > > > discussion, and now resort to sniping at me
> > after
> > > > claiming that you would
> > > > ignore my points.
> > > >
> > > > Do you really find this proper behavior for
> > someone
> > > > your age?
> > > >
> > > > On Dec 14, 2007 5:34 AM, Scott M. Kahn
> > > > < smk1 at columbia.edu> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > <bickering fit for an infant>
> > > > >
> > > > > Sukubidubidu
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