[sumo] [off topic] Mitchell steroid report; Joshua's blatant misinformation

[Scott M. Kahn]

Apology accepted.  Let's move on, the list members are rightfully
wary of this debate.  But please, there is really no need for
anyone to use personal attacks when debating an issue.

Joshua, your final assumption is incorrect, I am familiar what
steroids can do to atheletes who abuse them, my current research is
in the field of hormonal (sex steroid) carcinogenesis...  If you'd
like to discuss the effects of steroids on atheletes any further in
private, or the Mitchell report, it would be my pleasure.


Respectfully,
Sukubidubidu

Quoting Joshua Maciel <joshua.maciel at gmail.com>:

> So much discussion that the first NY Times article on it was from
> 1998?
>
> So much discussion that the Washington Post doesn't have anything
> close
> until 2004?
>
> I realize it's been discussed, but it's been discussed *in
> hindsight*, which
> is an entirely different cup of tea.
>
> Nobody is denying that steroids existed prior to that, the catch
> is that *the
> fans didn't care* for the most part. There was not much outrage,
> not much of
> a problem until home run records started getting shattered, and
> people
> started whining that it must be steroids.
>
> The steroid era is a creation of the aughts, and didn't exist in
> the public
> consciousness until people needed to find something to blame for
> the
> changing offense in the Majors.
>
> That was my point.
>
> I do owe an apology to Mr. Kahn, however. His original post on
> the subject
> specifically said that it wasn't the topic it is today. I
> conveniently (or
> accidentally, or subconsciously) ignored that.
>
> Mea culpa.
>
> I still don't think that he's very informed on what steroids
> actually do for
> a baseball player, or athletes in general, as far as performance
> is
> concerned, but that's a different cup of tea.
>
> Bowing out,
> - Josh
>
> On Dec 14, 2007 8:23 AM, Charles Beauchamp <beauking1 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Wow,
> > um...wow...Brady Anderson's 1996 homerun barrage was
> > definitely the subject of a lot of discussion
> > regarding steroid use as it was ongoing.  I remember
> > it quite clearly.  I am really not sure what prism you
> > are viewing things from but whatever it is, you are
> > simply ignorant and should just drop it.  You clearly
> > are not qualified to talk about baseball events in the
> > present anymore then you are regarding baseball in the
> > past.
> >
> > --- Joshua Maciel <joshua.maciel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Let's re-read what I said: "*To be quite clear,
> > > there was NOT discussion of
> > > steroid abuse in 1996 when Brady Anderson hit 50
> > > home runs.*"
> > >
> > > I would hope that you would engage your reading
> > > comprehension enough to at
> > > least parse that properly. Does discussion equate to
> > > use?
> > >
> > > You've entirely lost any semblance of respectability
> > > or civility in this
> > > discussion, and now resort to sniping at me after
> > > claiming that you would
> > > ignore my points.
> > >
> > > Do you really find this proper behavior for someone
> > > your age?
> > >
> > > On Dec 14, 2007 5:34 AM, Scott M. Kahn
> > > < smk1 at columbia.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > <bickering fit for an infant>
> > > >
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