[sumo] Effect of jungyo

[Charles Beauchamp]

--- Joshua Maciel <joshua.maciel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wonderful. I try to 'play nice' and you sit there
> and take cheap-shots. Is
> it any wonder that the members of this mailing list
> are taking issue at your
> contributions?
> 

Some members..not "the members"

> Perhaps if you cared to actually read what I wrote,
> rather than assume that
> you know what I am thinking, it would be more
> productive.
> 

See the thing of it is Joshua I have only replied to
what you actually wrote.  Nothing more.  What you
wrote was factually false.  Your later explanation of
what you first stated in your introduction of MLB to
the discussion did not make a better point.  It
weakened the point.

> However, I find it far more likely that you're
> anxious to fling feces and
> forward your own agenda rather than to have an
> objective discussion of the
> facts.
> 

Interesting comment considering that I am the one
stating fact while you floated an emotionally charged
factually off target MLB comparison.  

> Considering that you're comparing card-signings
> (private) to jungyo
> (work-related) rather than acknowledge the far more
> apt analogies provided,

Um...no.  I threw in a comparison (card signings) that
someone else introduced.  MLB card signings can be
actual official events obligated under conatract for
MLB players to attend under certain conditions...in
other words..work related.  


> I'm going to have to take your comments with a grain
> of salt.
> 
> If you aren't willing to be honest and discuss
> objectively, why participate?

See again the thing of it is..I am discussing
honestly.  You threw in a false analogy that rational
people would take to mean disabled players being
required to be in the dugout.  Then you changed it
when called upon it to..well..something fairly
pointless.  Players injured..but able to play I
suppose in which case the categorizing would be
irrelevant since professional athletes with minor
injuries are normally active as on any given day they
will have all manner of minor aches and pains.  I
hardly think this is what the Yokozuna has supposedly
had.  I assumed it was understood that Asashoryu is
some step beyond just minor aches and pains.  Your
analogies thus are bad ones as they lack rational
comparison with the Yokozuna.

> Do you get off on tooting your own horn? You won't
> be the first or the last
> to do so, but hopefully it will be the last we hear
> of you.
> 

Who doesn't get off on tooting their own horn?  That
said..I don't see anywhere that I am doing so.  You
can take this however you desire..frankly I couldn't
give less of a care what it is that you think of me. 
But if you post nonsense your going to get called on
it in a forum as wide as this one.  

> - Josh
> 
> On 8/6/07, Charles Beauchamp <beauking1 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- Joshua Maciel <joshua.maciel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'd like to thank you for being insulting and
> > > antagonistic. I realize that
> > > it may have benefitted my case to have been a
> little
> > > more specific, but
> > > that's no excuse to be snitty about it.
> > >
> > > "Disabled List" is a special status, and had I
> meant
> > > 'disabled list' as a
> > > substitute for 'injured' I would have indicated
> it
> > > as such. I was referring
> > > to 'day-to-day' status where the extent of the
> > > player's injury is uncertain,
> > > and they are injured, but they are expected to
> suit
> > > up and go to the park
> > > just in case anyway unless given special leave
> to be
> > > elsewhere.
> > >
> > > Regardless, MLB players are NOT given free
> reign,
> > > and to suggest that they
> > > can just piss off and do what they want rather
> than
> > > live up to contractual
> > > obligations is absolutely incorrect.
> > >
> > > But please, feel free to tell me how wrong I am
> more
> > > based on conjecture,
> > > rather than actually making an effort to
> understand
> > > my point.
> > >
> >
> > Goodness...yet another poster telling me that I
> don't
> > understand.  You are the one that threw in MLB and
> did
> > so completely incorrectly.  Your restating of the
> > point bears little resemblance of any kind to the
> > discussion of Asashoryu...and ummm...just so you
> > know...Bud Selig can't put a player on house
> arrest or
> > ban him for 2 months for missing a baseball card
> show.
> >
> > I replied to what you actually posted.  If you
> didn't
> > mean disabled players then you were saying
> something
> > even less on point.  Perhaps explain your position
> a
> > little more clearly next time.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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